2009-04-03T00:00:21 KillerX: yes, we'll be able to run shell scripts also after that on rc 2009-04-03T00:00:36 chiky_cin: hmm, not really. Did you run acid on rc? 2009-04-03T00:00:59 exec is a necessary but not sufficient condition for rc to work. 2009-04-03T00:01:12 KillerX: yes i ran rc on acid. 2009-04-03T00:01:30 KillerX: exec is not necessary for rc. 2009-04-03T00:01:48 It is, how else will rc run a process? ;) 2009-04-03T00:01:49 KillerX: but after exec, we'll be able to run shell scripts on rc 2009-04-03T00:02:31 KillerX: i mean, rc does not require exec to run, but the processes executed by rc needs it. :p 2009-04-03T00:02:49 hehe 2009-04-03T00:02:59 yeah, by 'making rc work' it means it should do it's basic job 2009-04-03T00:03:04 i.e. spawning new processes ;) 2009-04-03T00:03:15 KillerX: oh yeah :D 2009-04-03T00:04:20 i think, i should propose exec in the second phase only, so that we'll have a full-working rc. 2009-04-03T00:04:34 ok 2009-04-03T00:04:51 you should also take a deeper look at the trace for rc in acid 2009-04-03T00:05:26 KillerX: okay, i traced it with several commands, like ls, cat and even acid itseld :D 2009-04-03T00:05:36 awesome! 2009-04-03T00:05:36 itself* 2009-04-03T00:06:10 what about user level semaphores? Any priority for that? 2009-04-03T00:06:30 semaphores are not that important for now 2009-04-03T00:06:36 I don't think there are many basic apps that use it 2009-04-03T00:07:17 KillerX: right! In fact, i did not see it there in any of the tracings i did. :p 2009-04-03T00:07:30 i was just thinking about going all-the-way :D 2009-04-03T00:07:41 A honourable thought 2009-04-03T00:07:51 but our focus should be on getting as many apps running as quickly as possible 2009-04-03T00:08:04 KillerX: yep, right. 2009-04-03T00:09:04 KillerX: can I update the application in a few hours, as i have to study for my exam tomorrow? 2009-04-03T00:09:51 chiky_cin: feel free 2009-04-03T00:09:57 there are 24 hours left ;) 2009-04-03T00:10:09 chiky_cin: BTW I applied your rfork patch with changes 2009-04-03T00:10:14 comments in the mailing list 2009-04-03T00:10:18 and good luck for your exams ;) 2009-04-03T00:10:25 KillerX: okaay. great! :D 2009-04-03T00:10:31 KillerX: thanks man! :) 2009-04-03T00:15:18 omg, there were so many mistakes in my patch. :( 2009-04-03T00:16:11 i'll try to fix the errors asap 2009-04-03T00:16:56 later... 2009-04-03T00:17:01 bye guys 2009-04-03T00:17:04 *** chiky_cin has left #glendix 2009-04-03T00:18:20 KillerX: I would shy away from fixing people's code and then committing it. 2009-04-03T00:18:39 it's more work on you and you also start getting messy history/authorship 2009-04-03T00:18:39 thedoctor: yeah, just read your mail 2009-04-03T00:19:19 it's not just more work for you, but we also want our commits to have proper info 2009-04-03T00:19:30 makes sense 2009-04-03T00:19:35 like "Author: bob sanchez; Commiter: Anant Narayanan" 2009-04-03T00:19:37 He didn't even compile his code 2009-04-03T00:19:44 I noted. 2009-04-03T00:19:59 and I was making changes to my local file, and kept compiling to check 2009-04-03T00:20:12 eee 2009-04-03T00:20:17 branches, my friend :P 2009-04-03T00:20:21 and in the end I had the finished function, and though, hmm, why not commit it since I have it ready anyway :-/ 2009-04-03T00:20:30 s/though/thought 2009-04-03T00:20:42 yeah, if you branch, you can show the diff 2009-04-03T00:20:51 but like I said, there's no point fixing up someone's code 2009-04-03T00:21:05 they (hopefully) learn if you ake them fix it themselves. 2009-04-03T00:21:16 Agreed 2009-04-03T00:21:47 thedoctor: we've got 3 proposals for the system calls idea so far 2009-04-03T00:21:54 heh 2009-04-03T00:21:58 which you would think is a great thing, but actually not :-/ 2009-04-03T00:22:05 interviews will be fun 2009-04-03T00:22:07 I'm finding it damn hard to choose between them 2009-04-03T00:22:36 that's what interviews are for. 2009-04-03T00:22:37 yeah hopefully that will clear things up a bit more 2009-04-03T00:22:48 it should pretty quickly. 2009-04-03T00:23:07 proposal count: 3 system calls, 1 per-process namespace, 3 distribution 2009-04-03T00:23:13 total of 7 so far 2009-04-03T00:23:16 no netfs :( 2009-04-03T00:23:20 not bad at all, certainly more than I expected 2009-04-03T00:23:30 yeah, I was similarly surprised. 2009-04-03T00:23:39 we also got a couple of spam, hehe 2009-04-03T00:23:42 heh 2009-04-03T00:23:53 "me want to work on teh glendix" 2009-04-03T00:24:08 lol. 2009-04-03T00:24:16 "glendix can haz cheesburgr? 2009-04-03T00:24:20 " 2009-04-03T00:24:26 * KillerX LOL 2009-04-03T00:25:10 One of the Plan 9 ones made me laugh, "I'll learn the miraculous Plan 9, get friends, and spend time on something useful". 2009-04-03T00:26:06 stu8ball: yeah, I got a chuckle from that one. 2009-04-03T00:40:42 *** jyujin has joined #glendix 2009-04-03T00:48:19 *** jyujin has quit IRC 2009-04-03T00:51:16 *** jyujin has joined #glendix 2009-04-03T00:52:43 *** TheAppleMan has joined #glendix 2009-04-03T01:23:33 TheAppleMan! 2009-04-03T01:23:46 Are you related to the AmpelMan in any way? ;) 2009-04-03T01:23:57 hi KillerX, not that i know of :S 2009-04-03T01:24:19 Ok, was just curious ;) 2009-04-03T01:24:54 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ampelm%C3%A4nnchen <-- Ampelmann 2009-04-03T01:24:55 Title: Ampelmännchen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org) 2009-04-03T01:25:49 i'm just someone who likes apples, mmm 2009-04-03T01:27:58 is gcc the only compiler that can compile the kernel? it seems like glendix's goals _could be scuppered by it 2009-04-03T01:28:47 GCC and the Intel Compiler 2009-04-03T01:29:00 if you install a binary kernel, no reason to get GCC 2009-04-03T01:29:28 besides, our goal is not to actually eliminate all traces of GNU, just import as many ideas from plan 9 to linux as possible 2009-04-03T01:29:39 GNU & Plan 9 may live in harmony in Glendix 2009-04-03T01:40:16 *** thedoctor has quit IRC 2009-04-03T01:54:35 *** thedoctor has joined #glendix 2009-04-03T01:59:28 is unicode one of the ideas going to be imported? 2009-04-03T02:00:32 i'd love to have it in the console without fbiterm 2009-04-03T02:14:41 if rio + rc are ported successfully, I don't see why it won't work 2009-04-03T02:14:48 of course, we also have to get the fonts working 2009-04-03T02:14:59 the big blocker for that is the graphics filesystem 2009-04-03T03:16:14 *** Henry_Huang has joined #glendix 2009-04-03T03:44:18 *** Henry_Huang has quit IRC 2009-04-03T03:50:11 *** KillerX has quit IRC 2009-04-03T04:04:23 *** Henry_Huang has joined #glendix 2009-04-03T04:11:44 *** Henry_Huang has quit IRC 2009-04-03T05:36:41 *** TheAppleMan has quit IRC 2009-04-03T08:22:30 *** kristoffer has joined #glendix 2009-04-03T08:26:25 *** thedoctor has quit IRC 2009-04-03T09:37:23 *** synchris_odium has joined #glendix 2009-04-03T09:38:56 *** synchris has quit IRC 2009-04-03T09:39:46 *** kristoffer has quit IRC 2009-04-03T09:42:10 *** kristoffer has joined #glendix 2009-04-03T12:17:09 *** KillerX has joined #glendix 2009-04-03T12:21:53 *** synchris_odium is now known as synchris 2009-04-03T13:37:10 *** henry_huang has joined #glendix 2009-04-03T13:42:54 KillerX: hi, what's the kernel version for the new syscalls.c? 2009-04-03T13:43:06 henry_huang: 2.6.29 2009-04-03T13:43:17 KillerX: great! 2009-04-03T14:04:20 KillerX: i have seen your patch:) if my soc project accepted, could i do my job based on the 2.6.29 kernel? 2009-04-03T14:04:30 henry_huang: absolutely 2009-04-03T14:04:55 :) 2009-04-03T14:11:34 KillerX: during the period of reviewing, what i need to prepare? 'cauz we have different time zones, if any commits pasted, i may not answer it in time, and i have no experience on GSOC before. Could you give some suggestions? 2009-04-03T14:12:02 henry_huang: review period is two weeks long 2009-04-03T14:12:15 we don't expect you to respond to comments immediately 2009-04-03T14:12:33 For glendix projects, however we are going to be conducting an interview 2009-04-03T14:12:39 either by IRC or by phone 2009-04-03T14:12:54 We will let you know by email 2009-04-03T14:13:12 *** taruti has left #glendix 2009-04-03T14:17:22 Thanks, i get a little nervous for the interview. Could you give me some hints about the interview? What does it focus on? i could prepare for it from now on:) 2009-04-03T14:29:54 Hah don't worry about it 2009-04-03T14:30:02 It will be a casual chat, that's all ;) 2009-04-03T14:33:10 KillerX: oh, good :P 2009-04-03T14:40:58 *** Karurosu_ has joined #glendix 2009-04-03T14:50:51 *** Karurosu has quit IRC 2009-04-03T14:50:55 *** Karurosu_ is now known as Karurosu 2009-04-03T14:54:20 *** Murmuria has joined #glendix 2009-04-03T15:50:04 *** TheAppleMan has joined #glendix 2009-04-03T15:51:14 *** chiky_cin has joined #glendix 2009-04-03T15:53:25 KillerX: I traced many applications with rc, but I did not get to see exec() there? 2009-04-03T15:53:43 even with pipes, its just rfork()-ing. 2009-04-03T15:53:48 chiky_cin: it will be only called when you actually run something in the rc being traced 2009-04-03T15:54:30 *** less1 has joined #glendix 2009-04-03T15:55:01 KillerX: as in? Trace rc and then trace the application which is executed through rc? 2009-04-03T15:55:33 chiky_cin: hmm, no I meant just run an application in rc, and watch the trace 2009-04-03T15:55:35 still no exec? 2009-04-03T15:55:38 that is puzzling 2009-04-03T15:55:43 perhaps you are right: http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sources/plan9/sys/src/cmd/rc/exec.c 2009-04-03T15:55:46 Title: /n/sources/plan9/sys/src/cmd/rc/exec.c - Plan 9 from Bell Labs (at plan9.bell-labs.com) 2009-04-03T15:57:28 for executing shell sripts though ,it will be needed. 2009-04-03T15:58:09 i also traced 'exec', the built-in command of rc, but no sign of exec() 2009-04-03T16:23:41 *** Murmuria has quit IRC 2009-04-03T17:16:31 *** henry_huang has quit IRC 2009-04-03T17:16:57 *** henry_huang has joined #glendix 2009-04-03T17:17:15 *** henry_huang has joined #glendix 2009-04-03T17:51:37 *** Murmuria has joined #glendix 2009-04-03T17:57:59 *** henry_huang has quit IRC 2009-04-03T18:27:53 KillerX: I have updated my proposal, kindly review it. 2009-04-03T18:28:04 chiky_cin: Ok, thanks! 2009-04-03T18:29:32 *** sarguru has joined #glendix 2009-04-03T18:48:22 *** chiky_cin has quit IRC 2009-04-03T19:10:19 *** Murmuria has quit IRC 2009-04-03T19:34:47 *** Murmuria has joined #glendix 2009-04-03T19:35:29 KillerX, last day to update today? 2009-04-03T19:38:45 *** TheAppleMan has quit IRC 2009-04-03T19:41:44 *** KillerX has quit IRC 2009-04-03T20:58:09 *** Murmuria has quit IRC 2009-04-03T21:21:50 *** sarguru has quit IRC 2009-04-03T21:23:24 *** chiky_cin has joined #glendix 2009-04-03T21:44:54 *** bdheeman has joined #glendix 2009-04-03T21:48:32 *** whorrel has joined #glendix 2009-04-03T21:53:03 *** bdheeman has left #glendix 2009-04-03T21:54:22 *** whorrel has quit IRC 2009-04-03T21:56:49 *** thedoctor has joined #glendix 2009-04-03T22:03:56 *** chiky_cin has left #glendix 2009-04-03T22:57:36 *** Murmuria has joined #glendix 2009-04-03T22:58:45 name 2009-04-03T22:58:47 whoops. 2009-04-03T23:55:08 *** chiky_cin has joined #glendix 2009-04-03T23:56:51 *** eli_ has joined #glendix 2009-04-03T23:56:58 *** eli_ is now known as eli_gottlieb 2009-04-03T23:57:01 Anyone home? 2009-07-03T02:12:18 *** KillerX has quit IRC 2009-07-03T02:58:36 *** KillerX has joined #glendix 2009-07-03T05:46:42 *** Murmuria has joined #glendix 2009-07-03T07:23:53 *** Murmuria has quit IRC 2009-07-03T09:37:44 *** KillerX has quit IRC 2009-07-03T09:57:58 *** FragmentedCurve has quit IRC 2009-07-03T10:03:23 *** FragmentedCurve has joined #glendix 2009-07-03T10:26:55 *** FragmentedCurve has quit IRC 2009-07-03T10:59:54 *** solidsnack has joined #glendix 2009-07-03T11:05:19 *** solidsnack has quit IRC 2009-07-03T11:33:34 *** synchris_ has joined #glendix 2009-07-03T11:39:13 *** solidsnack has joined #glendix 2009-07-03T11:50:36 *** synchris has quit IRC 2009-07-03T11:52:38 *** solidsnack has quit IRC 2009-07-03T11:56:05 *** FragmentedCurve has joined #glendix 2009-07-03T14:30:45 *** synchris has joined #glendix 2009-07-03T14:32:20 *** voodoogc has joined #glendix 2009-07-03T14:46:48 *** synchris_ has quit IRC 2009-07-03T14:48:48 *** synchris has quit IRC 2009-07-03T20:51:51 *** KillerX has joined #glendix 2009-07-03T21:39:58 *** synchris has joined #glendix 2009-07-03T21:45:55 *** KillerX_ has joined #glendix 2009-07-03T21:46:11 *** synchris_ has joined #glendix 2009-07-03T21:50:27 *** voodoogc_ has joined #glendix 2009-07-03T21:53:44 *** voodoogc__ has joined #glendix 2009-07-03T21:56:07 *** voodoogc has quit IRC 2009-07-03T21:58:09 *** voodoogc has joined #glendix 2009-07-03T21:59:55 *** solidsnack has joined #glendix 2009-07-03T22:01:33 *** KillerX has quit IRC 2009-07-03T22:01:56 *** synchris has quit IRC 2009-07-03T22:05:15 *** synchris_ has quit IRC 2009-07-03T22:09:30 *** voodoogc_ has quit IRC 2009-07-03T22:14:13 *** voodoogc__ has quit IRC 2009-07-03T22:20:28 *** solidsnack has quit IRC 2009-07-03T22:21:10 *** KillerX has joined #glendix 2009-07-03T22:35:43 *** solidsnack has joined #glendix 2009-07-03T22:37:33 *** KillerX_ has quit IRC 2009-07-03T22:46:59 *** solidsnack has quit IRC 2009-07-03T23:26:48 *** synchris has joined #glendix 2009-07-03T23:43:10 *** voodoogc has quit IRC